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Ippo´s second lost, O_o.... are you disappointed as well? (ch: 1070)

  • I mean i have been reading this manga for a long time now and i´m a huge fan....(and i know that there shouldn be any but)... but, lately the chapters are coming in a painfully slower pace, and each time they are shorter ¿and now this?.....im starting to fear that ippo´s never gonna make it to the world, and i´m not talking about the character because he can for sure, i´m talking about the manga, now ippo will have to recover both physically and mentally, wich will take morikawa sensei ¿what? another painfully slow 7 - 12 chapters, and not to mention the wait untill he gets another chance OTL, in the mean time we will have to watch itagaki's, takamura, and the rest (im still waiting for miyata as well) fighting - not that i dont like them- i´m just saying that we are talking about a lot of time untill we get to see ippo fight again, so i´m thinking i may have to wait for another 40 - 70 chapter (sure hope not, yet now that he lost i wouldn´t like the story to ignore what must be done now, i would rather prefer him --morikawa-- to take the time to heal and prepare ippo better so next time he wont have to learn the same lesson twice < because i thought that this lesson were learned when ippo lost to Date; !yes the world boxing is tough, we got it the first time, and so did ippo¡>)

    Anyway back to waiting mode, not that i´m particulary thrilled to read the next 8 page chapter, with ippo in a hospital probably sad coz he lost and kamogawa full of regret.

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    • Yes I agree with you. I think it may take another year or perhaps 5 years??? just for Ippo to attain his goal. As for the latest chapter I Lol'd at Takamura's words, haytz I really thought he was going to imagine some kind of a cool sentence. As for the chapters it's really slow, 1 chapter consist of what 10 pages? the heck is that.

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    • im guessing that miyata will become world champion and the manga will end with him vs ippo one last time

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    • They should change the title to Hajime no Takamura, the mangaka absolutely loves him and despises Ippo, Takamura never loses, heck that Brian Hawk fight when he went Super Saiyan mode I mean c'mon that's cool and stuff but in the same time bullshit as fuck, everyone loses but Takamura, it was pathetic Ippo losing to this guy, Ippo SHOULD'VE won this and like fought 2 other guys before fighting Ricardo, I claim bullshit and I'm disappointed at how Ippo lost, the dude got his brain shaked and still managed to win, yeah right, disgusted by this defeat.

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    • you do realize that this guy is second in the world right? It's not the difficult to understand the skill difference between alfredo and ippo. Also, yet another obvious detail to make notice of, ippo is not a master tactician, nor does he have quick thinking. He literally just follows coach's orders and then panics when he doesnt know what to do. Alfredo has much more experience, overall and in the world circuit. Your point about takamura is kind of silly. You do realize ippo won a dozen or so pro matches before finally losing one, and only to someone who was the featherweight champion and fought ricardo. You must've been really delusional to think ippo was going to win, or at the very least, win easily against alfredo, He challenges someone on the world level for the first time and its second in the world. Kind of an overreach man.

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    • Unless the series is planning on ending soon, I don't see why Ippo should've won. If anything this is a great opportunity to make Miyata relevant. Miyata beating Ricardo would be the best way to do it. Then the final fight would Ippo vs Miayata.

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    • I don't really see Miyata, or anyone in the featherweight class beating Ricardo.  Hell, Kamogawa even said if a rematch with Woli happened, Ippo couldn't win.  I could see Ricardo retiring undefeated, or moving up a weight class, and Miyata and Ippo fighting for the vacant belt to get their rematch.  Ricardo is simply put, a monster in his weight class, with absolutely no weaknesses.  We've only seen one fight, and three more have been implied, and in all of them, it's implied that the chance of his defeat was not even remote.  Date, only managed to fight equally with Ricardo when he was basically not trying, and after he began fighting in his actual style, it became a slaughter.  Alfredo states that he views Ricardo as his god of death, and while he says his "Metztli mode" got him the furthest, he doesn't say it like it matched up.  Miyata has too many weaknesses to believably beat Ricardo, namely his fragility, and stamina, seeing as there is no way he is going to get through the fight without getting hit, and it is implied Ricardo's power is on par with Ippo's.  Even Takamura was challenged in the Eagle and Hawk fights.  Ippo is simply going to have to fight more boxers closer to his ranking, and build himself, which will take some time, and may not actually get the chance to fight Martinez.

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    • You have a good point, Diseasicon.

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    • Miyata has too many weaknesses? Miyata's only weaknesses are his fragility and his temper (which makes him burn all his stamina too fast), but he's unbelievably strong. Morikawa himself said Miyata is the 3rd strongest character in the series.

      If Miyata managed to pull Ricardo out of his mask and make him use his natural style, Miyata can counter him if he has the guts. Miyata has evolved a lot lately and could beat Alfredo as far as we've seen.

      Also, it's not like Ippo's too weak for the world. Alfredo is not a common world ranker. He's not simply n2 in the world, he's the man who managed to "pressure" Ricardo the most. He's the guy who could be the world champion if it wasn't for Ricardo.

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    • Yes, and Ricardo is the 2nd strongest behind only Takamura, and is one of two undefeated characters in the series.  Miyata has a better shot at countering Ricardo in his mask than out of it, as his natural style is much faster, and hard hitting.  The two weaknesses he has are weaknesses that Ricardo does not.  Miyata burns stamina fast, while we saw Ricardo go 10 rounds with Date, about 8 of them purely offensive, and was not the least bit winded.  As far as we can tell, Alfredo appears to have close to the counterpunching sense that Miyata does, seeing as how he was able to counter Ippo through the fight.  Miyata may be able to beat Alfredo, or at least have a better chance than Ippo, but I doubt it would be a landslide, and again, Alfredo implies he still feels he can't beat Ricardo, seeing him as his God of Death.  Miyata would definitely have a better chance against Ricardo than Ippo as of now, seeing as his boxing is more complex and tactical.  However, Ricardo has counterpunching sense easily on par with Miyata, power on par with Ippo, seeing as he has a jab with knock out power, the defensive skills to negate much of the power boxers puts into their punches, and more experience than any boxer in the series.  He didn't just beat Date, who was one of the best boxers in the series, he shattered multiple bones and ended his career.

      Just as Alfredo, is not simply #2 in the world, Ricardo is not simply Featherweight Champion.  He is a fighter most boxers avoid fighting knowing they won't stand a chance, and fighting may mean the end of their boxing career..  

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    • Alfredo has counterpunching sense close to that of Miyata? hahaha. The only boxer in the manga who has shown to have counter senses on par with Miyata was Sawamura, and that was 500 chapters ago.

      And Ricardo doesn't have "the defensive skills to negate much of power boxers put into their punches", the only thing close to that he has is the neck twist, which both Miyata and Date also have. Also, he took quite some big shots from Date in their fight.

      And Ricardo only shattered several of Date's bones because he refused to go down. If you keep punching the same thing for 30 minutes it will break, for sure. If Date got knocked out in round 2, for example, he wouldn't have a single shattered bone.

      Also, Ricardo's natural style is brawling. It is much easier for Miyata to counter brawlers than to counter orthodox boxers.

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    • Meh, even now Miyata probably couldn't beat Ricardo. He's the full package, while Miyata is still flawed in several senses. 

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    • Yeah, although its possible that Miyata could beat Ricardo, it's more likely that he wouldn't. Ricardo is much more durable, and has more boxing experience. Miyata is pretty frail as far as I'm concerned.

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    • Indeed. I think Miyata does have the skillset to pull off a win, but not right now. 

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    • I've been disappointed with ippo for ages... espescially during his jbc title defense.. the author makes ippo weaks compare to miyata... miyata finish and wins his fights fast... while ippo has to go for more rounds than miyata... besides miyata usually finish his fights unsheathes. ..while ippo end it with tonnes of bruises especially his face ... miyata fights look easy whike ippo fights like hell... ippo struggle to defeat a weak opponents... taking hits by hits..taking damages... 

      The reason i keep reading it because of takamura ... who is powerfull in strength also wise in boxing ... ippo still like a dumb... cannot figure out a solution by himself when he in the ring... always caught by simple attacks and tricks thrown by his opponents... the lame fights is between ippo n take ... the old guys who stop his movement... while he has fight the big guys the seaman... who is far stronger than take.. but still he is dumb to think of solution... dragging the fight to round 4...

      Its dissapointed not to see miyata vs ippo in the spring... but, if it does.. ippo will lose in round 1 for sure... he has a powerful body but zero in intelligence..

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    • 115.164.58.136 wrote: I've been disappointed with ippo for ages... espescially during his jbc title defense.. the author makes ippo weaks compare to miyata... miyata finish and wins his fights fast... while ippo has to go for more rounds than miyata... besides miyata usually finish his fights unsheathes. ..while ippo end it with tonnes of bruises especially his face ... miyata fights look easy whike ippo fights like hell... ippo struggle to defeat a weak opponents... taking hits by hits..taking damages... 

      The reason i keep reading it because of takamura ... who is powerfull in strength also wise in boxing ... ippo still like a dumb... cannot figure out a solution by himself when he in the ring... always caught by simple attacks and tricks thrown by his opponents... the lame fights is between ippo n take ... the old guys who stop his movement... while he has fight the big guys the seaman... who is far stronger than take.. but still he is dumb to think of solution... dragging the fight to round 4...

      Its dissapointed not to see miyata vs ippo in the spring... but, if it does.. ippo will lose in round 1 for sure... he has a powerful body but zero in intelligence..

      I actually have to agree with this. And the most annoying thing is, the author talks up Miyata so much through Ippo. We all know Ippo is a humble guy, but the way he talks about Miyata makes it really seem as if he sees himself as an inferior to him. They aren't teenagers in the rookie tournament just trying to get their feet wet anymore. They are both World level contenders, and I think it's really time that Ippo saw Miyata as an opponent and not a super hero.

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    • all of yeah ih he won world championship then the manga should end  FUCKEN SHIT!

      what should have happend is that ippo wins rodrigaz miyata tries to win ippo but losses. ippo sees that it was not a fair fight for myato because of his waight so ippo moves a waight higher and atarts fighting there until he finally meets myata at his best condition because it is not fair that myata is that op against ippo even after being in a bad condition

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    • The reason the chapters have fewer pages and are slow at coming out is because when he was writting these chapters morikawa sensie was ill and may still be ill. As for  the stroy line, i agree, yeah fighting world rankers is hard but he already knows that and he should of won, but they made the fight drag on too much, it should of ended when ippo knocked gonzales down, but now we have to wait forever on ippo to recover and put up with kimura and aoki and itagaki whose maches are really boring and takamura whose matches are too predictable 

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    • 147.174.109.46 wrote: you do realize that this guy is second in the world right? It's not the difficult to understand the skill difference between alfredo and ippo. Also, yet another obvious detail to make notice of, ippo is not a master tactician, nor does he have quick thinking. He literally just follows coach's orders and then panics when he doesnt know what to do. Alfredo has much more experience, overall and in the world circuit. Your point about takamura is kind of silly. You do realize ippo won a dozen or so pro matches before finally losing one, and only to someone who was the featherweight champion and fought ricardo. You must've been really delusional to think ippo was going to win, or at the very least, win easily against alfredo, He challenges someone on the world level for the first time and its second in the world. Kind of an overreach man.

      Technically I don't agree with your assement that ippo is only boxer without instincts. Ippo uses his past experiences and wuick thinking to turn battles in his favor from time to time. One example is from his fight with vorg where he turns his gazelle punch into a body blow. Or when he countered sanada's tactic of rushing into be demosey' roll against him. It's just he is naive at times and doesn't always use his full array of skills. He overcomplicates his fighting style with his self-doubt. His best fights have been when he death matches and begins to rely on his training and experience.

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    • I think people aren't giving Gonzalez enough credit.  The guy was #2 in the world, and the world pretty much agrees that if Martinez wasn't there, he would be champion.  I think people are overlooking his willpower and tenacity, even if he is supposedly fragile.  He's fought Ricardo Martinez twice, and even though he lost both times, he kept boxing.  Both of Eiji Date's losses to him ended in retirement.  Most featherweights just dodge Martinez and go for other titles, knowing a fight with him is a likely guaranteed loss.  Yes, Eiji Date lasted longer than Gonzalez against Martinez, but Martinez said that Date was the strongest fighter he's ever faced.

      Note that the last fight between Gonzalez and Martinez went 6 rounds before Gonzalez was knocked out.  Date managed to go 10.  On the flip side, Ippo managed 7 rounds against Gonzalez.  Do you honestly think Ippo could last 6 rounds against Martinez?  I see maybe 4 rounds at best, and those 4 rounds would just be mostly absorbing punishment.  Ippo beating Gonzalez was a long shot, but it was what they had lined up on the world stage so they took the risk.  It didn't work out.

      With Ippo's now increased strength and balance, he would definitely have a better chance, and with added experience of dealing with world class offense like Gonzalez had, he might actually win in a rematch if he could force him into another exchange.

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    • If you guys think about it, Alfredo was second in the world, Vorg is first in his weightclass, Ippo has already beaten Vorg, so how can Vorg, so how can Vorg level up sooooo much whislt Ippo cant even reach the 2nd? Im calling bullshit yo this lost and the mangaka is only dragging this out longer and longer and longer its becoming very painful now, that new dempsey roll that has been in practice since 400-500 chapters ago, i mean it was hinted alot then that the dempsey roll will evolve. Hundred years later and theyre just putting it into practice now. Richardo is getting old, i want a Richardo vs Ippo fight!!

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    • 31.80.228.167 wrote:
      If you guys think about it, Alfredo was second in the world, Vorg is first in his weightclass, Ippo has already beaten Vorg, so how can Vorg, so how can Vorg level up sooooo much whislt Ippo cant even reach the 2nd? Im calling bullshit yo this lost and the mangaka is only dragging this out longer and longer and longer its becoming very painful now, that new dempsey roll that has been in practice since 400-500 chapters ago, i mean it was hinted alot then that the dempsey roll will evolve. Hundred years later and theyre just putting it into practice now. Richardo is getting old, i want a Richardo vs Ippo fight!!

      It's been officially stated that Volg lost to Ippo and Sendo because he fought with a style more towards in-fighting in Japan so that he would be popular despite being a foreigner.  Had he fought as an outboxer, he would have beaten Ippo and Sendo, and is stated to have even had a chance against Date at that point.

      Also, even though Volg is the champion in his weight class, and Gonzalez is second in his, that doesn't really count as a strike against Gonzalez.  The only person above him is Ricardo Martinez, who undefeated in over 60 fights.  Odds are that if Volg fought Martinez, he would lose pretty handily.

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    • Alfredo Gonzales was 2nd in his weightclass meaning there are 2 more people above him, the 1st ranker and then the Champion which is Martinez. And exactly what i meant, if Vorg can level up as much as that and even learn outboxing and be sooo good at it, why cant Ippo go up a level higher than he is now aswell skill wise? It seems they are just dragging it out. Whislt everyone is progressing at top speed Ippo seem to be going really slow that it even took him 10 years IRL time to completely master the Dempsey roll he already had started developing a decade ago?

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    • Volg was always a natural outboxer, it was infighting that he had to try to learn.  It was less that he "leveled up" and more that he started fighting in the style he was best at.  As shown in his spar with Ippo before the Sawamura fight, his strength combined with his ability as in outboxer and natural talent is enough to knock Ippo out, even when Volg was not in fighting condition.

      Ippo has a couple of disadvantages.  Not only is he generally fighting outboxers, but because he is so short, he always at a reach disadvantage, except for with Shimabukuro.  Because of his short reach, Ippo can really never try to adopt an outboxing style, the one time he tried, the Kamogawa was furious.  He generally has to take hits to be able to land hits, and with Gonzalez, he was clearly dealing with somebody who had power and sharpness to make those hits very dangerous for him.

      Also, the chapters following the Gonzalez fight seem to be hinting that Ippo had hit a mental barrier.  Takamura, Miyata and Sendo seemed to be implying that something about Ippo's current mindset is holding him back.  It remains to be seen if he has gotten past that during his month off.

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